Episode #185

System Prompts vs Fine-Tuning: When to Actually Train Your AI

Prompt or fine-tune? We break down when to train your AI, from Shakespearean emails to law firm docs. Avoid unnecessary fine-tuning!

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System Prompts vs Fine-Tuning: When to Actually Train Your AI

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Episode Overview

What started as a funny question about rewriting emails in Shakespearean English becomes a deep dive into one of AI development's most important decisions: should you use a system prompt or fine-tune your model? Herman and Corn break down the technical and practical considerations that separate a quick prompt from a full training investment, exploring real-world examples from law firms to marketing teams. You'll learn the actual criteria that should guide your decision—and why many people are probably fine-tuning when they shouldn't be.

System Prompts vs Fine-Tuning: When Should You Actually Train Your AI Model?

What begins as a humorous question about turning everyday language into Shakespearean English evolves into a sophisticated exploration of one of the most important decisions in modern AI development. In a recent episode of My Weird Prompts, hosts Corn and Herman Poppleberry, alongside producer Daniel Rosehill's quirky prompt, tackle a question that resonates with anyone building AI applications: when should you simply use a system prompt, and when should you invest in fine-tuning a model?

The Setup: Shakespeare Meets AI

The episode kicks off with a lighthearted premise. Daniel has been using AI to rewrite his emails and texts in Shakespearean English, complete with creative period-appropriate substitutes for modern words that didn't exist in Shakespeare's time. A laptop becomes some elaborate Elizabethan contraption; contemporary language transforms into flowery, archaic prose. The internet has apparently embraced this novelty, with others creating similar tools.

But beneath the humor lies a genuinely important technical question: for a task this specific, should you craft a detailed system prompt telling the model to "rewrite in Shakespearean English," or should you go further and fine-tune a model specifically trained on this task?

Understanding the Fundamental Difference

Before diving into when to choose one approach over the other, it's essential to understand what each method actually does.

System Prompts: The Quick Instruction

A system prompt is essentially an instruction you provide to a pre-trained model at the moment you use it—what AI developers call "inference time." Think of it as giving someone a job description right before they start working. The model has already been trained on vast amounts of text data. You're simply saying: "When I send you text, transform it this way."

The advantages are significant. System prompts are fast, cheap, and require no additional training infrastructure. You're just paying for the tokens the model processes. They're also flexible—you can change your instructions instantly without retraining anything.

Fine-Tuning: Permanent Learning

Fine-tuning takes a different approach. You take that pre-trained model and continue training it on your specific dataset. You're showing the model hundreds or thousands of examples of what you want, and the model internalizes these patterns so deeply that they become part of its underlying weights. It's permanent learning, baked into the model itself.

The tradeoff is complexity and cost. Fine-tuning requires computational resources for training, dataset management, and consideration of problems like overfitting, where the model memorizes your training data rather than learning generalizable patterns.

The Tempting Question: Why Not Always Fine-Tune?

On the surface, fine-tuning seems like overkill for straightforward tasks. Why go through all that trouble when a well-crafted system prompt could work? Herman acknowledges this intuition but pushes back with nuance.

For novelty tasks like Shakespearean rewriting, fine-tuning is probably unnecessary. A detailed system prompt—specifying the use of "thee" and "thou," instructing the model to create creative substitutes for modern words—would likely produce satisfactory results.

But consider a different scenario: a law firm wanting to rewrite all client communications to be more concise and formal. A system prompt could work. However, if you fine-tune a model on a hundred examples of the firm's actual before-and-after communications, incorporating the firm's specific terminology, tone, and style, the resulting model understands the firm's brand in a way a system prompt alone cannot.

The Real Question: When Does It Become Worth It?

Herman articulates a crucial insight: the decision shouldn't be based on what's technically possible, but on what's practically justified. He outlines four key criteria for when fine-tuning makes sense:

1. Task Repetition and Business Value

If you're running a task once or twice, a system prompt is the obvious choice. But if you're executing this task thousands of times daily, every marginal improvement in quality compounds significantly. The business value of that improvement justifies the fine-tuning investment.

2. Accuracy Requirements

For a fun Shakespeare rewriter, accuracy is loosely defined. But for AI-generated legal documents or medical summaries, even small accuracy improvements matter enormously. Higher stakes justify higher investment.

3. Volume and Edge Cases

At scale, you're more likely to encounter edge cases—unusual inputs that a system prompt might struggle with. A fine-tuned model, having learned from diverse examples, often handles these more gracefully.

4. Cost Dynamics

This is where intuitions often mislead. While fine-tuning has upfront computational costs, the resulting specialized model is frequently more efficient. A fine-tuned model might require fewer tokens to achieve the same quality output. At sufficient scale, this efficiency compounds, making fine-tuning cheaper long-term than repeatedly using a system prompt.

The Break-Even Analysis

Corn raises an important practical question: is there a break-even point? Absolutely. But that point varies dramatically by use case.

For a high-volume, high-stakes application—say, a company processing thousands of customer service inquiries daily where quality directly impacts customer satisfaction—the break-even might occur with just a hundred training examples. For a low-volume novelty task, you might never reach break-even.

The Danger of Overthinking

Herman raises a concern that deserves serious attention: the AI community has a tendency to jump to fine-tuning as the solution when a system prompt would suffice. Fine-tuning feels more "real" because you're actually training something. It's the shiny approach. But practically speaking, many people are wasting time and money fine-tuning tasks that a good system prompt could handle perfectly well.

Corn pushes back on whether modern system prompts have become so sophisticated that we're overthinking the whole question. After all, contemporary language models can do remarkably sophisticated things with well-written prompts.

Herman doesn't entirely disagree. He emphasizes that the best approach involves actual testing. Don't assume fine-tuning will win—measure both approaches and compare results. Sometimes the marginal improvement fine-tuning provides doesn't justify the added complexity.

The Distribution Angle: Building Tools for Others

The conversation takes another interesting turn when considering whether Daniel is building this tool just for himself or for public distribution. If he's creating a tool for others to use—publishing a fine-tuned Shakespeare model on platforms like Hugging Face—the economics change entirely.

In this scenario, you pay the fine-tuning cost once, but potentially thousands of users benefit. They download the specialized model and use it without worrying about system prompts. From a distribution perspective, this makes more sense. However, it introduces new considerations: maintenance requirements, model updates, and the need to re-fine-tune if underlying models change.

Recent Technical Progress: Lower Barriers, Not Lower Standards

Herman highlights an important recent development. Techniques like parameter-efficient fine-tuning and LoRA (Low-Rank Adaptation) have dramatically lowered the technical barrier to fine-tuning. Where years ago you needed thousands of examples, now you can achieve meaningful results with fifty to a hundred.

But here's the critical insight: just because something is technically possible doesn't mean it should become your default approach. The lower barrier to fine-tuning shouldn't automatically justify using it everywhere. You still need to think carefully about whether this is the right tool for your specific job.

Practical Takeaways

For anyone building AI applications, several principles emerge from this discussion:

Start with a system prompt. It's faster, cheaper, and often sufficient. Only move to fine-tuning if you've identified a genuine need.

Test both approaches. Don't assume fine-tuning will win. Measure the actual difference in quality and compare it against the added complexity and cost.

Consider your scale and stakes. High-volume, high-stakes applications justify fine-tuning more readily than low-volume novelty tasks.

Think about long-term efficiency. Fine-tuning might be cheaper at scale, but only if you're actually operating at meaningful scale.

Don't confuse capability with necessity. Modern fine-tuning is more accessible than ever, but accessibility shouldn't drive your decision-making.

The Shakespeare rewriting example, while humorous, illuminates something serious about AI development: the most sophisticated choice isn't always the best choice. Sometimes the right answer is the simple one—a well-crafted prompt that does exactly what you need, without unnecessary complexity.

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Episode #185: System Prompts vs Fine-Tuning: When to Actually Train Your AI

Corn
Welcome back to My Weird Prompts, the podcast where our producer Daniel Rosehill sends us the strangest and most thoughtful questions from his brain, and Herman and I try to make sense of them. I'm Corn, and I'm here with Herman Poppleberry, my co-host and resident AI expert.
Herman
Thanks for having me. And look, I have to say, this week's prompt is genuinely one of the most interesting technical questions we've tackled in a while. It starts with Shakespeare—which is hilarious—but it goes somewhere really substantive about how we actually build AI applications.
Corn
Right, so the setup is funny, right? Daniel's been having fun rewriting his emails and text in Shakespearean English using AI, adding these creative substitutes for modern words that didn't exist in Shakespeare's time. Like, a laptop becomes some ridiculous period-appropriate thing. And apparently other people on the internet are doing this too.
Herman
Which is great, it's a perfect example of what we call a "pure rewrite task." Simple input, simple output. You give the AI text, it gives you back the same text but in Shakespearean English. That's the entire workflow.
Corn
But then Daniel asks the real question—and this is where it gets technical—which is: when should you just use a system prompt versus when should you actually fine-tune a model? Like, you could write a system prompt that says "rewrite everything in Shakespearean English," or you could go the extra mile and fine-tune a model specifically for this task.
Herman
Exactly. And that's the crux of it. Because on the surface, fine-tuning seems like overkill for something you could handle with a system prompt. But there are actually some real considerations here that make it worth thinking through.
Corn
Okay, so help me understand this. What's the actual difference? Like, technically speaking, what are we doing differently when we fine-tune versus when we use a system prompt?
Herman
Good question. So a system prompt is basically instructions you give to a pre-trained model at inference time—that's the moment you're actually using it. It's like giving someone a job description right before they start working. The model has already been trained on massive amounts of text, and you're just saying, "Hey, when I send you stuff, do this thing with it."
Corn
Right, so it's lightweight. You don't have to train anything. You just... ask nicely.
Herman
Exactly. It's fast, it's cheap, and it works surprisingly well for a lot of tasks. But fine-tuning is different. Fine-tuning is when you take that pre-trained model and you continue training it on your specific dataset. You're essentially saying, "Okay, I'm going to show you hundreds or thousands of examples of what I want, and I want you to internalize this pattern so deeply that it becomes part of your weights."
Corn
Okay, so fine-tuning is like... permanent training, and system prompts are like temporary instructions.
Herman
That's a reasonable way to think about it, yeah. But here's where it gets interesting—and this is what Daniel is really asking—the dividing line between when you'd do one versus the other isn't always obvious. Like, you could absolutely handle the Shakespeare task with a system prompt. Tell the model, "Rewrite in Shakespearean English, use 'thee' and 'thou,' make up creative substitutes for modern words," and you'd probably get pretty good results.
Corn
So why would anyone bother fine-tuning for something like that?
Herman
Well, that's the thing. For a novelty task like Shakespeare rewriting, you probably wouldn't. But let me give you a real example. Imagine you're a law firm and you need to rewrite all your client communications to be more concise and formal. You could use a system prompt, sure. But if you fine-tune a model on, say, a hundred examples of before-and-after versions of your specific firm's writing style, your tone, your terminology—now that model understands your brand in a way a system prompt alone can't quite capture.
Corn
Hmm, but couldn't you just make a really detailed system prompt? Like, include examples, give it all your guidelines?
Herman
You could, and that's the thing—in many cases, a really well-crafted system prompt with good examples will get you 80 or 90 percent of the way there. But here's where I'd push back on that being sufficient for all scenarios. There's something about fine-tuning that changes how the model fundamentally processes the task. It's not just following instructions; it's learned the pattern at a deeper level.
Corn
Okay, but I'm not convinced that's always worth the extra complexity. Like, you're talking about setting up training infrastructure, managing datasets, dealing with overfitting—that's a lot of work.
Herman
I don't disagree, actually. For most one-off use cases, especially something niche like the Shakespeare thing, a system prompt is absolutely the way to go. But Daniel's real question is about when you have a task that has substantial business value. And that changes the calculus entirely.
Corn
Right, so where's the line? When does it tip from "just use a system prompt" to "fine-tune this thing"?
Herman
Okay, so here's how I think about it. First, how much does accuracy matter? If you're rewriting Shakespeare for fun, accuracy is pretty loose. But if you're using AI to generate legal documents or medical summaries, a small improvement in accuracy can be huge.
Corn
That makes sense. What else?
Herman
Volume and consistency. If you're going to use this task once or twice, system prompt all day. But if you're going to run this thing thousands of times a day, every improvement in quality compounds. You're also more likely to encounter edge cases that a system prompt might struggle with.
Corn
Okay, I'm tracking with you. What about the cost angle? Because I feel like that's something people don't always think about.
Herman
Great point. So system prompts are cheap because you're just using the model at inference. You're paying for tokens. Fine-tuning has an upfront cost—you have to compute the training—but then the fine-tuned model is often more efficient. You might need fewer tokens to get the same quality output because the model is specialized. So if you're running this at scale, a fine-tuned model could actually be cheaper long-term.
Corn
Huh. So there's a break-even point?
Herman
Absolutely. And that break-even point depends on your use case. For a high-volume, high-stakes application, it might be worth it with just a hundred examples, like Daniel mentioned. For a low-volume novelty task, you'd probably never reach that break-even.
Corn
Okay, but let me ask you this—and I think this is important—system prompts have gotten really good lately. I mean, we can do some pretty sophisticated things just with a well-written prompt. Are we maybe overthinking fine-tuning? Like, are there cases where people are fine-tuning when they could just... not?
Herman
Oh, absolutely. I think there's a real tendency in the AI community to jump to fine-tuning as the solution when a system prompt would do just fine. It's kind of the shiny approach—it feels more "real" because you're actually training something. But practically speaking, a lot of people are probably wasting time and money fine-tuning for tasks that a good system prompt could handle.
Corn
So what would actually justify fine-tuning? Give me the criteria.
Herman
Alright, so in my mind, you fine-tune when: one, you have a specific task that you're going to do repeatedly; two, the quality difference between a system prompt and fine-tuning is measurable and meaningful for your business; three, you have enough training data—and "enough" is lower now than it used to be, maybe fifty to a hundred good examples; and four, you've actually tested both approaches and fine-tuning wins.
Corn
That last one is important. You're saying people should actually compare?
Herman
Definitely. Because I've seen plenty of cases where someone fine-tunes a model and gets marginally better results at significantly higher complexity. It's not worth it.
Corn
Right. Okay, so let's bring this back to the Shakespeare example. Daniel's asking about creating a utility—a tool that other people could use. Does that change anything?
Herman
That's actually a really interesting wrinkle. If you're building a tool for distribution, there are different considerations. If you're publishing a fine-tuned model on Hugging Face, you're right that Daniel has seen projects like this. A Shakespeare rewriting model that's fine-tuned and published is actually useful for people who don't want to mess with system prompts. They just download the model and use it.
Corn
So it's like, you're paying the fine-tuning cost once, and then a bunch of people benefit?
Herman
Exactly. That's a different economics. If you're building something for internal use, system prompt wins. If you're building something for public distribution, fine-tuning might make sense because you're distributing a polished, specialized tool.
Corn
But doesn't that require more maintenance? Like, if you update your underlying model, do you have to re-fine-tune?
Herman
Sometimes, yeah. That's a real consideration. And honestly, for something like a Shakespeare rewriter, it's probably overkill. But for something with real commercial value—like a model trained to write marketing copy in a specific brand voice—that maintenance cost is worth it.
Corn
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Corn
...Alright, thanks Larry. So where were we?
Herman
We were talking about when it actually makes sense to fine-tune, and I think we've established that it depends on the use case. But I want to circle back to something—the data requirement. Daniel mentioned that you could fine-tune with just a hundred examples. That's actually a pretty recent development, and it's important.
Corn
Why is that important?
Herman
Because for years, fine-tuning was basically only viable if you had thousands of examples. It was expensive, it was complicated, and you'd often end up with a model that was overfit—it memorized your training data instead of learning the underlying pattern. But now we have techniques like parameter-efficient fine-tuning, LoRA, things like that, where you can get meaningful results with much smaller datasets.
Corn
Okay, so that lowers the bar for fine-tuning?
Herman
It does. But I'd actually push back on using that as a blanket justification. Yeah, you can fine-tune with a hundred examples, but should you? That depends on whether the gains justify the complexity. And I think for a lot of tasks, they don't.
Corn
Interesting. So you're saying the fact that we can fine-tune easily now doesn't mean we should?
Herman
Right. Just because the technical barrier is lower doesn't mean the practical barrier should be. You still need to think about whether this is the right tool for the job.
Corn
Fair enough. But let me ask you something—if I'm Daniel, and I'm thinking about building this Shakespeare tool, what would you actually recommend?
Herman
Honestly? For a fun utility that you're sharing with friends or putting on the internet? System prompt, all day. It's simple, it works, people can use it immediately. But if you wanted to create a really polished tool that you could distribute, maybe fine-tune something small and put it on Hugging Face. You'd get a tool that's more reliable, more consistent, and people could use it offline if they wanted.
Corn
That makes sense. But there's also something to be said for just keeping it simple, right? Like, not every project needs to be optimized to death.
Herman
Completely agree. I think there's a tendency in the tech world to over-engineer things. The simplest solution that works is often the best solution.
Corn
Okay, so let's broaden this out a bit. We've been talking about the Shakespeare thing, but Daniel's real question is about more "potentially useful AI applications." So let's think about real-world scenarios. When would you actually recommend fine-tuning over a system prompt?
Herman
Alright, so imagine you're a customer service company and you're using AI to handle support tickets. You could write a system prompt that says, "Be helpful, be professional, resolve issues quickly." But if you fine-tune a model on a hundred examples of your best support interactions—where your agents actually solved problems well—now that model understands your specific support philosophy, your terminology, your process.
Corn
And that's worth the fine-tuning?
Herman
If you're processing thousands of tickets a day, absolutely. Because even a 5% improvement in resolution quality or customer satisfaction compounds into real money.
Corn
Okay, I hear you. What about content creation? Like, if a company wanted to generate product descriptions?
Herman
Similar story. System prompt gets you something decent. Fine-tuning on your actual product descriptions gets you something that sounds like your brand. It's more consistent, it's more aligned with your voice.
Corn
But couldn't you just give the system prompt really detailed examples of your brand voice?
Herman
You could, and honestly, for a lot of companies, that would probably be sufficient. But here's the thing—there's a limit to how much complexity you can stuff into a system prompt before it gets unwieldy. With fine-tuning, that knowledge is baked into the model itself. It's more elegant, in a way.
Corn
Okay, but I'm still not totally convinced that's not just... using a bigger hammer than you need. Like, the system prompt approach is simpler, and if it works, why not use it?
Herman
I don't disagree. Honestly, for a lot of real-world applications, system prompts are probably the right call. Fine-tuning is the advanced move that you reach for when you've maxed out what a system prompt can do, or when you've measured and confirmed that it's actually worth the effort.
Corn
Right. So the real answer is: it depends, and you should probably try the simple thing first?
Herman
Exactly. And I think that's what Daniel is getting at. There's no hard rule. You need to understand the trade-offs and make a decision based on your specific situation.
Corn
Alright, we've got a caller on the line. Go ahead, you're on the air.

Jim: Yeah, this is Jim from Ohio. I've been listening to you two go on and on about this, and frankly, I think you're making it way too complicated. Back in my day, we didn't have "fine-tuning" and "system prompts." We just wrote code. You want something to do something? You write it to do that thing. Now everything's got to be some machine learning situation. Also, my neighbor Frank just got a new grill, and I'm not happy about it—sets off my allergies somehow. But anyway, my point is, you're overthinking this. Just use what works.
Herman
Well, Jim, I appreciate the perspective, and you're right that simpler is often better. But the thing is, we're talking about a fundamentally different kind of problem now. You can't just "write code" to handle natural language in the way we're discussing.

Jim: Yeah, but that's exactly my point! You've all gone AI crazy. We got by fine without it for decades.
Corn
I mean, Jim, I don't think we're arguing that you need to use AI for everything. We're just talking about when you've already decided to use AI, what's the best way to do it. That's a different question than whether you should use AI at all.

Jim: Hmm, well, that's fair, I suppose. But it still seems like a lot of fussing around. In my experience, people just want something that works. They don't care if it's "fine-tuned" or whatever. They want results.
Herman
And that's actually a valid point. End users don't care about the implementation. They care about whether it works well. So that's part of the calculation—does the extra complexity of fine-tuning actually deliver results that matter to your users?

Jim: Well, there you go. See, that's what I've been saying. Don't overcomplicate it. Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble. My coffee's getting cold.
Corn
Thanks for calling in, Jim.

Jim: Yeah, yeah, take care.
Corn
So, let's think about practical takeaways here. If someone's listening to this and they're thinking about building an AI application, what should they actually do?
Herman
First, start with a system prompt. It's fast, it's cheap, it's simple. Get something working. Measure whether it's actually solving your problem.
Corn
And if it works?
Herman
Then you're done. Ship it. Don't fine-tune because it feels more legitimate or more "real." Keep it simple.
Corn
And if it doesn't work?
Herman
Then you have data. You have examples of where the system prompt is failing. At that point, you can make an informed decision about whether fine-tuning would help. You can actually measure the improvement, not just guess.
Corn
That makes sense. So it's an iterative process?
Herman
Exactly. You start simple, you test, you measure, and you only add complexity if it's justified.
Corn
Right. And I think that's really the key insight here. There's no universal answer. You have to understand your specific problem and make a decision based on that.
Herman
Absolutely. And honestly, I think most people would benefit from defaulting to the simple solution more often. We have this tendency to reach for the fancy tool when the basic tool would do the job just fine.
Corn
Okay, so looking ahead, are we going to see more fine-tuning or more system prompts in the future?
Herman
I think we'll see both, actually. As models get better and as system prompting techniques improve, I think system prompts will handle more and more use cases. But for specialized applications where accuracy really matters and you have domain-specific data, fine-tuning will still be valuable. It's just going to become more accessible and more refined.
Corn
So maybe the distinction blurs a bit?
Herman
Could be. We're also seeing hybrid approaches where you do both—you fine-tune a model and then also give it a system prompt. The landscape is still evolving pretty quickly.
Corn
Yeah, and I think that's the honest answer to Daniel's question. Right now, there's no perfect formula. You have to understand both approaches, think about your specific situation, and make a call. But the important thing is that you're thinking about it intentionally, not just picking one because it sounds cooler.
Herman
Exactly. And I'd say, given that Daniel is asking about this, he probably already has the right instincts. He's thinking about whether fine-tuning makes sense, which means he's not just blindly using tools. He's being thoughtful about the engineering.
Corn
Yeah, I think that's fair. Alright, so final thoughts—if you're building an AI application, start simple, measure your results, and only add complexity if it's justified. And if you're thinking about fine-tuning, understand what you're optimizing for and whether it's actually going to matter.
Herman
And maybe revisit Daniel's Shakespeare example. That's actually a perfect case study in not over-engineering. A system prompt gets you 95% of the way there with almost zero complexity. That's the move.
Corn
Alright, well, thanks for walking through this with me. And thanks to Daniel Rosehill for sending in such a thoughtful technical question. This stuff matters, and it's good to think through it carefully.
Herman
Absolutely. And thanks to everyone listening to My Weird Prompts. You can find us on Spotify and wherever you get your podcasts. We'll be back next week with another prompt from Daniel and another deep dive into something weird and wonderful.
Corn
Until then, thanks for listening, and we'll see you next time.

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.