#985: Banking on Surveillance: The Secret History of KYC

How did opening a bank account become a security clearance? Trace the evolution of KYC from the 1970s to the age of AI surveillance.

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The modern banking experience is defined by friction. What was once a relationship built on a handshake and local trust has evolved into a high-stakes environment of identity verification and constant monitoring. This shift is the result of decades of evolving regulations known as Know Your Customer (KYC) and Anti-Money Laundering (AML) laws.

The Birth of Financial Reporting

The foundation of modern financial surveillance was laid in 1970 with the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) in the United States. Before this, banking was a largely private affair. The BSA introduced the Currency Transaction Report (CTR), which mandated that any cash transaction over $10,000 be reported to the government. At the time, $10,000 was a massive sum, intended to catch high-level organized crime and drug traffickers.

Crucially, this era established the "Third-Party Doctrine." The Supreme Court ruled that because individuals voluntarily share their information with a bank, they have no "reasonable expectation of privacy" regarding those records. This legal pivot allowed the government to treat bank records as accessible data rather than private property.

From Crime to Counter-Terrorism

In the 1980s, the focus shifted from merely reporting transactions to criminalizing the act of hiding money. The Money Laundering Control Act of 1986 made money laundering a federal crime in its own right, independent of the underlying illegal activity.

However, the most seismic shift occurred after the attacks of September 11, 2001. The PATRIOT Act transformed banks into a "digital border patrol." Section 326 mandated formal Customer Identification Programs (CIP), requiring banks to verify the identity of every account holder and check names against government terrorist watchlists. The focus was no longer just on the size of the transaction, but on the identity of the person behind it.

The Rise of Behavioral Profiling

Today, compliance has moved beyond simple ID checks into a "Risk-Based Approach" (RBA). Banks no longer treat all customers equally; instead, they develop dynamic risk profiles. By analyzing occupation, nationality, and geographic location, banks categorize individuals—such as "Politically Exposed Persons"—into high-risk tiers that require "Enhanced Due Diligence."

This has turned banking into a data engineering challenge. Modern institutions use machine learning to establish a baseline of "normal" behavior for every customer. Any deviation from this baseline can trigger a Suspicious Activity Report (SAR). Under current law, banks are prohibited from "tipping off" customers that they are under investigation, leading to a system where individuals can be "de-risked" or financially excommunicated without ever knowing why.

A Global Standard

This evolution isn't limited to the U.S. Through the influence of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and the European Union’s Anti-Money Laundering Directives, these standards have become global. As we move further into an era of decentralized finance and AI, the "plumbing" of global finance continues to grow more complex, ensuring that the ghost of the compliance officer is present in every transaction we make.

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Episode #985: Banking on Surveillance: The Secret History of KYC

Daniel Daniel's Prompt
Daniel
Custom topic: Explore the history of Know Your Customer (KYC) requirements in the context of Anti-Money Laundering (AML) legislation. How did KYC evolve from early banking regulations to the comprehensive complianc
Corn
You know, Herman, I was looking through some old files the other day, and I realized how much the simple act of opening a bank account has changed. When I was younger, you walked in, shook hands with the branch manager, maybe showed a driver's license, and that was it. You were a member of the community. Today, it feels more like you are applying for a high-level security clearance at a government agency. You have got to provide proof of address, tax identification numbers, sometimes even the source of your initial deposit. It is this massive, invisible friction that we all just accept as part of modern life. It is like there is a ghost in the room every time you move money, and that ghost is a compliance officer you will never meet.
Herman
Herman Poppleberry here, and you are spot on, Corn. That friction isn't just bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy. It is the visible tip of a massive, global iceberg known as Know Your Customer and Anti-Money Laundering compliance, or K-Y-C and A-M-L. Our housemate Daniel actually sent us a prompt about this very topic, asking us to dive into the history of how we got here. It is a fascinating evolution from banking as a personal relationship to banking as a form of state-mandated surveillance. We are living in an era where the bank knows more about your spending habits than your spouse does, and they are legally required to tell the government if those habits look even slightly "weird."
Corn
It really is. And I think it is important to frame this correctly. We aren't just talking about filling out forms. We are talking about the fundamental architecture of the global financial system. When you look at the prompt Daniel sent over, it really highlights this shift from K-Y-C being a business courtesy—basically just making sure the bank knows who they are lending to so they don't lose money—to it becoming a legal requirement where the bank acts as an unofficial arm of law enforcement. It is the "plumbing" of global finance, but the pipes are now lined with sensors and microphones.
Herman
That is exactly the right way to put it. The bank is essentially deputized by the government to monitor its own customers. Today, we are going to trace that evolution, starting all the way back with the Bank Secrecy Act of nineteen seventy and moving through the seismic shifts after September eleventh, two thousand one. We will look at the European directives, the global influence of the Financial Action Task Force, and where this is all headed with artificial intelligence and decentralized finance. By the time we are done, you will understand why your bank asks you so many annoying questions every time you try to send a wire transfer.
Corn
It is a lot to unpack, but I think it is necessary because most people don't realize that their bank is constantly running algorithms on their behavior. If we are looking at the "plumbing" of global finance, the first real pipe was laid in nineteen seventy with the Bank Secrecy Act. Before that, banking in the United States was relatively private, wasn't it? I mean, unless you were a known mobster, the government wasn't really looking at your ledgers.
Herman
It was remarkably private. If you go back to the mid-twentieth century, bank secrecy was seen as a pillar of a free society. But by the late nineteen sixties, the government started getting worried about organized crime, the drug trade, and tax evasion. They felt that the anonymity of the banking system was being used to hide the proceeds of illegal activities. So, the Bank Secrecy Act, or the B-S-A, was passed in nineteen seventy. This was the birth of the Currency Transaction Report, or the C-T-R.
Corn
Right, and that is the famous ten thousand dollar rule. Any cash transaction over ten thousand dollars had to be reported to the Treasury Department. I have always wondered, why ten thousand? It seems like a somewhat arbitrary number, especially considering inflation since nineteen seventy. Ten thousand dollars back then was worth a lot more than it is today. If you adjusted that for inflation to two thousand twenty-six, we would be talking about nearly eighty-five thousand dollars.
Herman
It was a massive amount of money in nineteen seventy. Back then, the rule was really designed to catch the "big fish," the major drug traffickers or mob bosses moving huge suitcases of cash. The idea was to create a paper trail that law enforcement could follow. But what is interesting, Corn, is that the B-S-A didn't originally require the intense identity verification we see today. It was more about the transaction itself than the person behind it. It was a "paper ledger" era. If you deposited nine thousand dollars, nobody blinked. If you deposited eleven thousand, a form got filled out and mailed to a warehouse.
Corn
That is a crucial distinction. In the nineteen seventies, the focus was on the "what," not the "who." But the B-S-A laid the groundwork for the government to say, "The privacy of your financial records is not absolute." The Supreme Court even upheld this in the mid-seventies in a case called United States versus Miller. They basically said that because you voluntarily give your information to a bank, you have no "reasonable expectation of privacy" under the Fourth Amendment.
Herman
That legal precedent was the turning point. It is known as the Third-Party Doctrine, and it is the reason the modern surveillance state in finance can exist. Once the courts decided that your bank records aren't really "yours" once the bank has them, the floodgates opened. Throughout the nineteen eighties and nineties, we saw more regulations, like the Money Laundering Control Act of nineteen eighty-six, which actually made money laundering a federal crime for the first time. Before that, the government had to prove the underlying crime, like drug dealing. After eighty-six, just the act of hiding the money became the crime.
Corn
It is wild to think that it wasn't even a specific crime until the mid-eighties. But even with those laws, the system was still relatively slow. It was all paper-based. If a bank filed a report, it went into a physical box somewhere. Law enforcement had to manually dig through those files. It wasn't the real-time, high-tech monitoring we see now. That shift really happened after the attacks on September eleventh, didn't it? That is when the "war on terror" met the "war on cash."
Herman
September eleventh changed everything. The focus shifted from organized crime and tax evasion to counter-terrorism financing. The logic was that if you could choke off the money, you could stop the attacks. This led to the passage of the U-S-A PATRIOT Act in late two thousand one. Specifically, Section three hundred twenty-six is what every compliance officer in the country knows by heart. That section mandated that every financial institution must have a formal Customer Identification Program, or a C-I-P.
Corn
And that is when the "shaking hands with the manager" era truly died. Section three hundred twenty-six required banks to verify the identity of anyone opening an account, maintain records of that information, and check those names against government lists of known or suspected terrorists. This wasn't just about large cash transactions anymore. This was about every single person who wanted to participate in the financial system. It was the birth of the "Know Your Customer" mandate as we know it.
Herman
And it's where we see the birth of the modern K-Y-C framework. It is no longer just "who are you?" but "are you on a list we don't like?" This is also when we saw the rise of the Office of Foreign Assets Control, or O-F-A-C, which manages the sanctions lists. If your name matches someone on an O-F-A-C list, the bank has to freeze your assets immediately. The PATRIOT Act turned banks into the front line of national security. They became the "digital border patrol."
Corn
I remember we touched on some of the technical vulnerabilities of identity verification back in episode seven hundred four, when we talked about the S-M-S paradox and how easily identity can be spoofed. But in the banking world, the PATRIOT Act forced a move toward more "hard" identity markers. But Herman, there is a second part to this shift that I think is even more significant than just checking an I-D. It is the move toward a "Risk-Based Approach," or R-B-A. Can you explain what that actually means in practice? Because it sounds like the bank is basically profiling you.
Herman
Because they are, Corn. That is exactly what they are doing. Initially, compliance was a "check the box" exercise. Do you have a passport? Yes. Is the address valid? Yes. Okay, account opened. But regulators realized that wasn't enough. A grandmother in Ohio and a high-ranking official from a country known for corruption might both have valid passports, but they represent very different levels of risk to the bank.
Corn
So, the "Risk-Based Approach" means the bank treats you differently based on who they think you are and what they think you might do. It is predictive, isn't it?
Herman
Precisely. Instead of one-size-fits-all, the bank develops a risk profile for every customer. They look at things like your occupation, your nationality, the types of transactions you are likely to make, and your geographic location. If you are a "Politically Exposed Person," or a P-E-P, like a politician or a close family member of one, you are automatically moved into a high-risk category. This means you get "Enhanced Due Diligence," or E-D-D. The bank will ask for more documents, they will monitor your transactions more closely, and they will require more frequent updates to your information. They might even ask for your "Source of Wealth"—basically, "How did you get all this money in the first place?"
Corn
It sounds like a massive data engineering challenge. You are not just looking at a static I-D anymore; you are looking at a dynamic stream of behavior. If I suddenly start receiving large wire transfers from a country in the Middle East or Eastern Europe, an algorithm is going to flag that because it doesn't match my "normal" risk profile. It is like a credit score, but for "suspiciousness."
Herman
That is exactly right. It is the transition from static verification to dynamic risk scoring. Banks now use sophisticated machine learning models to establish a "baseline" for your behavior. They look at your "Expected Activity Profile." Anything that deviates from that baseline triggers a "Suspicious Activity Report," or a S-A-R. And here is the kicker,
Corn
by law, the bank is forbidden from telling you that they have filed a S-A-R on you. It is called "tipping off." You could be under investigation by your bank and have no idea. In fact, if you ask them why your account is frozen and they tell you it is because of a S-A-R, the bank employee could actually go to jail.
Corn
That is a huge departure from the traditional legal standard of being innocent until proven guilty. In the banking world, if the algorithm flags you, you are essentially "guilty" of being suspicious until the bank's compliance department decides otherwise. And if they decide you are too much of a risk, they can just "de-risk" you, which is a polite way of saying they close your account and kick you out of the bank. We see this happening a lot with conservative organizations, crypto companies, or even just people with "unpopular" views in certain jurisdictions. It is a form of financial excommunication.
Herman
It really is. And this isn't just a United States phenomenon. This is where we need to look at the global stage. While the PATRIOT Act was happening in the U-S, the European Union was busy rolling out its own set of rules called the Anti-Money Laundering Directives, or A-M-L-Ds. We are currently in an era where the sixth iteration of these directives is being fully enforced, and we are seeing the rise of the A-M-L-A—the Anti-Money Laundering Authority—which is a centralized E-U body based in Frankfurt.
Corn
I have been following the E-U directives a bit, and one of the biggest changes in the recent ones, like A-M-L-D five and six, is the focus on "Beneficial Ownership." For a long time, people could hide behind shell companies or complex corporate structures. You might know that "Company X" owns the account, but you don't know who actually owns "Company X." It was like a Russian nesting doll of paperwork.
Herman
Right. The E-U decided that wasn't acceptable anymore. They mandated that member states create centralized registries of beneficial owners. This means if you own more than twenty-five percent of a company, your name, birthdate, and nationality go into a database. In the U-S, we caught up with this via the Corporate Transparency Act, which as of two thousand twenty-six, is in full swing. If you own a small business, you now have to report who actually pulls the strings to FinCEN. They want to strip away the corporate veil entirely. The idea is that there should be no such thing as an anonymous company in the financial system.
Corn
It is a complete reversal of the old Swiss banking model where secrecy was the primary product. Now, transparency is the mandate. But this brings up a massive tension, Herman. On one hand, we want to stop terrorists and money launderers. On the other hand, we are creating a global panopticon where every single transaction is tracked, categorized, and scored. If you look at the Financial Action Task Force, or the F-A-T-F, they are really the ones driving this on a global scale, right? They are like the secret architects of the world's financial rules.
Herman
The F-A-T-F is probably the most powerful organization most people have never heard of. It was started by the G-seven in nineteen eighty-nine, and it is based in Paris. It is not a government, and it doesn't pass laws, but it issues "recommendations." If a country doesn't follow those recommendations, the F-A-T-F puts them on a "grey list" or a "black list." Being on those lists makes it almost impossible for that country's banks to interact with the rest of the global financial system. It is financial "cancel culture" at a nation-state level. So, every country falls in line.
Corn
It is essentially global governance through financial pressure. And the F-A-T-F's Recommendation sixteen is particularly relevant right now. That is the one people call the "Travel Rule." This is where the technical challenge really ramps up, especially for the crypto world.
Herman
The Travel Rule originally applied to traditional wire transfers through the S-W-I-F-T network. It says that when a bank sends money, it must "travel" with the name and account number of both the sender and the receiver. It has been around for a long time in the traditional world. But the big drama recently is that the F-A-T-F decided to apply the Travel Rule to "Virtual Assets" and "Virtual Asset Service Providers," or V-A-S-Ps. That means crypto exchanges.
Corn
This is where the collision between the old world and the new world gets really messy. The whole point of Bitcoin and many other crypto-assets was to allow for peer-to-peer transactions without a central intermediary. If I send Bitcoin from my private wallet to your private wallet, there is no "bank" to report the transaction. But the F-A-T-F is trying to force exchanges like Coinbase or Binance to act like banks. If you want to move your crypto off an exchange to a private wallet, the exchange now has to try and collect information on who owns that private wallet.
Herman
It is a technical nightmare. How do you verify the identity of someone who just has a public key on a blockchain? The F-A-T-F is essentially trying to retro-fit a nineteen-seventies regulatory framework onto a twenty-first-century decentralized technology. It is like trying to force the internet to work like a series of interconnected fax machines. In the traditional S-W-I-F-T system, the data moves through a closed loop. In crypto, the asset moves on a public ledger, but the personal data has to move through a separate, private channel. Reconciling those two is what the industry is struggling with right now in two thousand twenty-six.
Corn
And this brings us back to that tension between privacy and oversight. In episode four hundred seventy-one, we talked about digital wallets and how merchants track our spending. But this K-Y-C and A-M-L layer is even deeper. It is not just merchants; it is the state. When we move toward Central Bank Digital Currencies, or C-B-D-Cs, this surveillance could become absolute. If the government issues the currency directly, they don't even need to ask a bank for your records. They already have them. They can see the transaction the millisecond it happens.
Herman
That is the ultimate "endgame" for many of these regulators. If every dollar is a programmable token on a government-controlled ledger, K-Y-C isn't something you "do" when you open an account; it is a permanent, real-time feature of the money itself. They could theoretically prevent you from spending money at certain stores or on certain products if your "risk score" is too high or if you are not in compliance with some new regulation. It is the "social credit score" of finance.
Corn
It is a very pro-sovereignty, pro-freedom argument to say we need to be very careful here. As conservatives, we generally believe in the rule of law and stopping criminals, but we also believe in individual liberty and the right to be left alone. When the "Risk-Based Approach" turns into "Political Risk Scoring," we have a problem. We have seen examples where people have had their accounts frozen for donating to protests that the government deemed "unacceptable." That is a very dangerous road to go down. It turns the financial system into a weapon for social engineering.
Herman
It's the weaponization of the financial system. And it is not just a theory. We have seen it happen in Canada with the trucker protests, we have seen it happen in the U-K with politicians being "de-banked" for their political views. The infrastructure built for the Bank Secrecy Act to catch drug lords is now being used to enforce social and political conformity. This is why the "how we got here" part of this discussion is so important. These laws were always passed with the best of intentions—stopping crime, stopping terror—but the mission creep has been extraordinary.
Corn
So, if this is the current state of play—a massive, global, A-I-driven surveillance apparatus—what is the future? Is there any way to balance the need for security with the need for privacy? You mentioned "RegTech" and "Zero-Knowledge Proofs" earlier. Do those offer a middle ground, or are they just more high-tech ways to track us?
Herman
I think they might be the only way out, Corn. RegTech, or Regulatory Technology, is a huge industry now. It is basically companies using A-I and big data to help banks manage this massive compliance burden. But the real "holy grail" is something called Zero-Knowledge Proofs, or Z-K-Ps. This is a cryptographic method where I can prove to you that something is true without revealing the underlying data.
Corn
Okay, give me a concrete example of how that would work for K-Y-C. Because right now, K-Y-C feels like giving the bank my entire life story just to get a debit card.
Herman
Imagine you want to open a bank account. Instead of giving the bank your passport, your social security number, and your utility bills—all of which they then store on a server that can be hacked—you have a digital identity that has been verified once by a trusted third party. When the bank asks for your I-D, your digital wallet provides a "proof" that says, "I am a verified citizen over the age of eighteen and I am not on any sanctions lists." The bank gets the "yes" or "no" they need to be compliant, but they never actually see or store your sensitive personal data.
Corn
That is fascinating. So the bank gets the assurance they need to satisfy the regulators, but they don't become a giant honeypot for hackers because they don't actually hold my documents. It solves the data security issue and the privacy issue at the same time. It is like showing a bouncer a green light that says you are over twenty-one, rather than handing him your driver's license which has your home address on it.
Herman
It moves us away from the "collect everything" model to a "verify what is necessary" model. But the challenge is getting regulators to accept a cryptographic proof instead of a physical scan of a passport. Regulators are notoriously slow to adopt new technology. They like their paper trails, even if those paper trails are now digital P-D-Fs. They want to be able to "audit" the data later, and a Zero-Knowledge Proof, by definition, doesn't leave a data trail to audit.
Corn
It also requires a shift in the philosophy of the F-A-T-F and other global bodies. They have to move from a "surveillance-first" mindset to a "privacy-preserving" mindset. And right now, the momentum seems to be going in the opposite direction. The E-U's latest directives are pushing for even more data sharing and even more centralized databases. They are building a bigger haystack to find the same few needles.
Herman
You are right. There is a real tug-of-war happening. On one side, you have the "privacy-tech" community building tools like Z-K-Ps and decentralized identity. On the other side, you have the "security-first" regulators who want more visibility into every corner of the financial world. And in the middle are the banks, who are just trying not to get fined billions of dollars. Because let us be clear, the fines for A-M-L failures are astronomical. We have seen banks like H-S-B-C or Danske Bank hit with fines in the billions. When the stakes are that high, banks don't take risks on privacy.
Corn
When the fines are that high, the banks will always choose the most conservative, most intrusive path. They would rather annoy ten thousand legitimate customers with endless paperwork than let one suspicious transaction through that might lead to a regulatory audit. This is why we see the "de-risking" phenomenon. If a customer is even slightly "weird" or "complex" from a compliance standpoint—maybe they are an immigrant sending money to a "high-risk" country, or a small business owner in a cash-heavy industry—the bank just says, "No thanks, you are not worth the risk." It is a form of financial exclusion.
Herman
And that is the real tragedy of the modern K-Y-C system. It is supposed to stop the bad guys, but in reality, the sophisticated money launderers usually find ways around it. They use "mules," they use offshore jurisdictions that aren't compliant, they use complex trade-based money laundering schemes. The people who are most affected by these rules are the small business owners, the immigrants trying to send money home, and the average citizens who just want to manage their finances without being treated like a criminal.
Corn
It is the classic "security theater" problem. We create all this friction and collect all this data, but does it actually stop the crime? I have seen some startling statistics on this. Herman, what is the actual success rate of this massive global apparatus?
Herman
It is depressing, Corn. Some studies, including those from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, suggest that the amount of money laundered globally is in the trillions—roughly two to five percent of global G-D-P. Meanwhile, the amount actually seized or stopped by these A-M-L rules is estimated to be less than one percent. We are spending hundreds of billions of dollars globally on compliance to catch less than one percent of the illicit flow.
Corn
That is a staggering failure rate. We have built a global surveillance panopticon, added massive friction to the lives of billions of people, and we are catching less than one percent of the bad guys? It makes you wonder if the system is really about stopping crime, or if it is about something else—like control, data collection, and the ability to project power through the financial system. It is a very expensive way to achieve very little.
Herman
Well, as we always say, follow the incentives. The regulators get more power, the RegTech companies get more contracts, and the government gets more data. The only person who loses is the individual who just wants some basic financial privacy. We have traded away a fundamental pillar of a free society for a system that is largely performative.
Corn
So, what should our listeners take away from this? First, recognize that your relationship with your bank is no longer private. You should assume that every transaction you make is being watched by an algorithm and scored for risk. Second, keep an eye on the development of digital identity and C-B-D-Cs. Those will be the next major battlegrounds for financial privacy. If we don't get the "identity layer" right, we are looking at a future of total financial visibility for the state.
Herman
And third, understand that if you are involved in the crypto space, the walls are closing in. The days of "anonymous" crypto exchanges are effectively over. The F-A-T-F's Travel Rule is being implemented globally, and the "sunrise issue"—where different countries adopt the rules at different times—is slowly being resolved. If you want to maintain privacy, you have to look toward decentralized, non-custodial solutions, but even those are under regulatory fire.
Corn
It is a sobering reality, but being informed is the first step. If you are interested in how this connects to the broader world of digital identity, I would really recommend going back and listening to episode eight hundred sixteen, where we talked about the evolution of human order from scrolls to S-Q-L. It puts this whole "data-fication" of our lives into a much longer historical context. We have moved from physical ledgers to digital ones, and the power has shifted accordingly.
Herman
And if you are worried about the security of your own digital footprint, episode seven hundred four on the S-M-S paradox is a great deep dive into why our current identity systems are so fragile. If the bank is going to require all this data, the least they could do is keep it secure, but as we know, that is rarely the case.
Corn
This has been a great deep dive, Herman. It is one of those topics that seems dry on the surface—compliance and regulation—but once you start digging, you realize it is at the heart of almost every major geopolitical and social trend we are seeing today. It is about who has the power to permit you to exist in the modern economy.
Herman
It really is. Thanks to Daniel for sending this one in. It is definitely one of the more "important" weird prompts we have tackled lately. It touches on the very "plumbing" of our freedom.
Corn
And hey, if you have been listening for a while and you are finding these deep dives helpful, we would really appreciate it if you could leave us a review on your podcast app or Spotify. It genuinely helps the show reach more people who are interested in these kinds of nuanced, technical discussions. We are trying to build a community of people who want to look under the hood of the modern world.
Herman
Yeah, it makes a huge difference. We love seeing the feedback and it keeps us motivated to keep digging into these complex topics. We read every review, even the ones that tell me I am being too much of a nerd.
Corn
You can find all our past episodes, including the ones we mentioned today, at myweirdprompts.com. We have got a full archive there, and you can even find the R-S-S feed to make sure you never miss an episode.
Herman
Alright, I think that covers it for today. We have gone from nineteen seventy to the future of decentralized finance and Zero-Knowledge Proofs. My brain is a bit fried, but it was worth it.
Corn
Same here. Thanks for walking us through the technical details, Herman. Your research on the F-A-T-F and the E-U directives was spot on. It is scary, but it is better to know than to be in the dark.
Herman
My pleasure. It is what I do. Until next time, everyone. Keep an eye on those bank statements.
Corn
Thanks for listening to My Weird Prompts. We will be back soon with another deep dive into the ideas and technologies shaping our world. Stay curious, and stay informed.
Herman
Herman Poppleberry, signing off. Take care, everyone.
Corn
And Corn Poppleberry, see you in the next one. Goodbye!

This episode was generated with AI assistance. Hosts Herman and Corn are AI personalities.