#2197: Who Controls the Press Pool?

How the traveling press pool evolved from FDR's train to Air Force One—and what happens when governments decide who gets to cover them.

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Who Controls the Press Pool? The History and Crisis of Presidential Press Access

The traveling press pool—that small, rotating group of journalists who follow the head of government everywhere—sounds like a prestige assignment. You're on Air Force One. You're in the room when history happens. In reality, according to accounts from journalists who've done it, it's often tedious: long shifts, short turnarounds, hours sitting in passenger vans, restrictions on bathroom breaks and meals. The White House Correspondents' Association even describes it as "press purgatory" in their official guide.

But the tedium serves a purpose. Pool reporters were in the motorcade when JFK was shot. They were watching when Reagan was nearly assassinated. They documented George W. Bush's evacuation on September 11th. None of these moments were scheduled. The boredom is the cost of being present for history when it happens without warning.

How We Got Here: FDR and the Origins of the Pool

The modern traveling press pool crystallizes in the 1930s around Franklin D. Roosevelt. Three wire service reporters joined FDR on his train to Warm Springs, Georgia, where he received therapy for his paralysis. They were with him when he died there in 1945. That's where the institution begins.

As the Secret Service built out its protective bubble—more advance teams, more motorcade vehicles, more restricted zones—the press pool became the only practical solution to a real problem. You can't have three hundred journalists in close proximity to the president for security reasons, but you also can't have zero journalists. The pool is the negotiated middle ground: thirteen journalists on Air Force One, vetted and managed, who share their dispatches with the entire press corps.

A literal artifact of this history sits in the White House itself. The Brady Briefing Room—where press secretaries stand at the podium—was built over FDR's indoor swimming pool. Nixon had it covered over in 1969 because the growing television press corps needed more space. The pool is still under the floor, a buried metaphor for the evolution of press access.

The Architecture of Dependence

The domestic pool on Air Force One is precisely structured: three wire reporters (AP, Reuters, Bloomberg), four photographers from AP, Reuters, AFP, and the New York Times, three network TV correspondents, one radio correspondent, and two print reporters sharing a single rotating seat among eight outlets.

The financial arrangement reveals a paradox. News organizations pay their own way—reimbursing at the lowest available commercial fares, with charter costs split pro-rata among all journalists. Failure to pay means denial of future access. This protects independence in the narrow sense: outlets aren't taking government money.

But logistically, journalists are completely dependent. The White House Travel Office coordinates hotels, filing centers, and ground transportation. On international trips, it works with the State Department and foreign governments to get journalists into places they couldn't access on their own. Without that infrastructure, covering a presidential foreign trip would be essentially impossible for most outlets.

Then there's the pool report itself. These dispatches go to a listserv with at least ten thousand recipients: congressional aides, administration officials, political allies. The WHCA guide notes this is "worth keeping in mind" when writing pool reports—a polite way of saying your supposedly independent journalism is being read in real time by the people you're covering.

The Access Journalism Problem

The intimacy of the pool creates relationships. Sharing planes, motorcades, filing centers, and sometimes catered meals blurs the line between observer and participant. President Clinton was so gregarious with pool reporters that one journalist reportedly feigned sleep when he saw Clinton approaching the back of the plane, just to avoid getting pulled into conversation.

For over a century, one mechanism protected independence: the WHCA controlled the rotation. The press itself decided which outlets got into the pool. No administration could systematically favor friendly outlets because they didn't control the list.

That changed in February 2025.

The Rupture

Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announced that the White House press team would determine who gets access to Air Force One and the Oval Office. She framed it as opening things up to "new media"—podcasts, streaming services—but the deeper shift was clear: the administration was claiming control over the pool.

The AP situation illustrated what that control looks like. The Associated Press had a policy of not using "Gulf of America"—Trump's executive order renaming the Gulf of Mexico. The White House banned the AP from the press pool. A federal judge later ruled that unconstitutional. Rather than simply restore access, the administration removed all three major wire services—AP, Reuters, Bloomberg—from their designated daily pool slots, pushing them into a general rotation that drastically reduces their proximity to the president.

This matters because AP, Bloomberg, and Reuters share content with smaller news organizations that can't afford to maintain White House correspondents themselves. Demoting them means reducing the reach of the pool system across the entire press ecosystem.

But the most significant action went further: the administration withheld at least two pool reports from the official mailing list. They edited the historical record in real time by preventing unflattering information from reaching the wider press corps. These reports are meant to be the contemporaneous record of what the president is doing and where he is. If the administration can decide which ones go out, they've introduced gaps in the record—gaps that compound over time.

The Israeli Parallel

Israel's equivalent of Air Force One is the Wing of Zion, a Boeing 767 operated by Squadron 120 of the Israeli Air Force. Israeli journalists have traditionally joined the Prime Minister on these flights, with the Shin Bet conducting security checks before boarding.

But Israel never developed an independent body like the WHCA managing the rotation. Access has always depended on the Prime Minister's Office. Netanyahu's press pool restrictions aren't a rupture with established norms the way Trump's were—they're an escalation within a system that was always more fragile.

In September 2025, Netanyahu excluded all journalists from the Wing of Zion for his UN General Assembly trip to New York, citing "technical arrangements related to seating and security." The Israeli Journalists' Union protested that this set a precedent for future exclusions.

What's at Stake

The traveling press pool is a strange institution—part security arrangement, part logistical necessity, part access journalism problem. For a century, it worked because the press itself controlled who participated. That firewall is now gone in the US, and it never existed in Israel.

The question isn't whether pools will disappear. They won't—the security problem they solve is real. The question is who decides who gets in. When governments claim that power, the pool becomes less a check on executive action and more a tool of it. The boredom, the tedium, the thirteen-hour days sitting in vans—that was the price of independence. Without the WHCA's control, it's just a cost with no corresponding benefit.

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#2197: Who Controls the Press Pool?

Corn
So Daniel sent us this one, and it's a topic I don't think gets nearly enough attention. He's asking about the traveling press pool — that small rotating group of journalists who follow the head of government everywhere, on the official plane, in the motorcade, into the Oval Office. He wants a comparison between how it works in the US and Israel, what it's actually like day-to-day for the journalists involved, whether financial and logistical dependence on the government compromises their independence, and how the whole arrangement has evolved alongside security apparatus and the twenty-four-hour news cycle. There's also a real ethical tension at the heart of all this, which I think is the most interesting part.
Herman
I've been sitting with this one for a few days and the more you dig into it, the weirder and more fascinating it gets. Because on the surface it sounds like a prestige assignment — you're on Air Force One, you're in the room when history happens. And then you read the actual accounts from journalists who've done it and it sounds like the most tedious job imaginable.
Corn
Right, there's this first-person piece from a reporter who joined the Obama pool on Martha's Vineyard. She spent five hours sitting at the entrance to a golf club waiting for Obama to finish his round. Five hours. And then they went into what's called "pool hold" at another location. Thirteen-hour day, total.
Herman
The WHCA — the White House Correspondents' Association — actually has a guide to the White House beat, and they describe pool duty as involving long shifts and short turnarounds, vast stretches of boredom, physical exertion when you have to run with luggage and gear, restrictions on bathroom breaks and meals, and hours sitting in passenger vans. They call it "press purgatory" in the guide, which is a remarkable phrase for an institution to use about itself.
Corn
And by the way, today's episode is brought to life by Claude Sonnet four point six, which is worth mentioning because the irony of an AI writing a script about press access and information control is not lost on me.
Herman
Noted. But here's the thing about why the tedium matters, because Steven Portnoy, who was WHCA president, made this argument that I think is genuinely compelling. He said you never know when the world will need good information about precisely where the president of the United States is and what he is doing at any moment. Pool reporters were in the motorcade when JFK was shot. They were watching when Reagan was nearly assassinated. They helped write the history of September eleventh when George W. Bush was being evacuated to military bases. None of those incidents were scheduled.
Corn
So the boredom is the cost of being present for history when it happens without warning.
Herman
Which is an interesting way to think about journalism more broadly, but especially about this institution. And to understand how we got here, you have to go back to the FDR era, because that's really where the modern press pool begins.
Corn
Walk me through that.
Herman
The White House Correspondents' Association was founded in nineteen fourteen, but the traveling pool concept crystallizes in the nineteen thirties around Roosevelt. The WHCA historian George Condon has documented this — three wire service reporters joined FDR on his train to Warm Springs, Georgia, where he went regularly to receive therapy for his paralysis. They were with him when he died there in nineteen forty-five. That's the seed of the whole institution.
Corn
And then it formalized from there as the security apparatus expanded.
Herman
That's the key dynamic. As the Secret Service built out its protective bubble — more advance teams, more motorcade vehicles, more restricted zones — the press pool became the only practical solution to a real problem. You can't have three hundred journalists in close proximity to the president for security reasons, but you also can't have zero journalists, because that's a different kind of problem. The pool is the negotiated middle ground. Thirteen journalists on Air Force One, vetted and managed, who share their dispatches with the entire press corps.
Corn
And there's a literal physical artifact of this history in the White House. The Brady Briefing Room — the one where you see press secretaries standing at the podium — is built over FDR's indoor swimming pool. Nixon had it covered over in nineteen sixty-nine because the growing television press corps needed more space. The pool is still under the floor.
Herman
Which is either a great metaphor or just a fun fact, depending on your mood.
Corn
I'm going with metaphor. The old press access buried under the new press access.
Herman
So the thirteen-person domestic pool on Air Force One breaks down very specifically. Three wire reporters — AP, Reuters, Bloomberg. Four photographers from AP, Reuters, AFP, and the New York Times. Three network TV correspondents. One radio correspondent. Two print reporters, one of whom rotates through eight different outlets sharing a single seat. And this is where the financial architecture gets interesting.
Corn
Because the news organizations are paying their own way.
Herman
Which is both the protection of independence and the source of a different kind of dependence. Outlets traveling on Air Force One reimburse at the lowest available commercial fare — unrestricted, fully refundable, calculated seven to fourteen days in advance. For the separate press charter that follows the president, costs are split pro-rata among all registered journalists. The whole billing system runs through a contractor called Air Partner LLC, which handles the charter aircraft, hotels, and ground transportation. And failure to pay is grounds for denial of future access.
Corn
So you're paying your own way, which means you're not taking government money, but the infrastructure — the hotels, the filing centers, the ground transport — is all arranged through the White House Travel Office.
Herman
And that's the paradox at the core of the whole system. You're financially independent in the narrow sense, but logistically you're completely dependent. On an international trip, the White House Travel Office is coordinating with the State Department and foreign governments to get journalists into places they couldn't access on their own. Without that infrastructure, covering a presidential foreign trip would be essentially impossible for most outlets.
Corn
And the pool reports themselves — this is something I didn't know before digging into this — they go to a listserv that includes at least ten thousand recipients. Congressional aides, administration officials, political allies. The WHCA guide actually flags this and says it's "worth keeping in mind" when writing pool reports.
Herman
Which is a politely worded way of saying: remember that your supposedly independent journalistic dispatches are also being read in real time by the people you're covering. The pool report from inside the Oval Office goes to the press corps and simultaneously to the White House communications team.
Corn
That's a genuinely strange arrangement.
Herman
And it raises the access journalism critique, which has been around for decades. The intimacy of the pool — sharing planes, motorcades, filing centers, sometimes catered meals in press filing rooms — creates relationships. President Clinton was so gregarious with pool reporters that one journalist reportedly feigned sleep when he saw Clinton coming to the back of the plane, just to avoid getting pulled into a long conversation.
Corn
Which is funny, but also illustrates the problem. If you're close enough to the president that you're pretending to be asleep to avoid chatting with him, you're not exactly operating from a position of adversarial independence.
Herman
Now the key mechanism that historically protected independence — the one that made the whole system defensible — was that the WHCA controlled the rotation. For over a century, the press itself decided which outlets got into the pool. No administration could systematically favor friendly outlets because they didn't control the list.
Corn
And then February twenty twenty-five.
Herman
Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt announced that the White House press team would determine who gets access to spaces like Air Force One and the Oval Office. She framed it as opening things up to "new media" — podcasts, streaming services — but the WHCA president at the time, Eugene Daniels from Politico, put it plainly: in free countries, leaders don't get to pick the people who cover them day in and day out.
Corn
And the AP situation is the clearest illustration of what that control looks like in practice.
Herman
The Associated Press had a policy of not using "Gulf of America" — the Trump executive order renaming the Gulf of Mexico. The White House banned the AP from the press pool. A federal judge later ruled that unconstitutional. But rather than simply restore the AP's access, the administration escalated and removed all three major wire services — AP, Reuters, Bloomberg — from their designated daily pool slots, pushing them into a general rotation that drastically reduces their proximity to the president.
Corn
So the three outlets that have the broadest reach, that share content with smaller news organizations that can't afford to be at the White House themselves, get demoted.
Herman
The WHCA's statement on this was pointed. They noted that AP, Bloomberg, and Reuters play an integral role in coverage of the presidency and that their ability to share news instantly with millions of readers and smaller organizations is unmatched. And separately, the administration withheld at least two pool reports from the official mailing list — essentially editing the historical record in real time by preventing unflattering information from reaching the wider press corps.
Corn
That's the one that I think doesn't get enough attention. Withholding pool reports. Because these things are meant to be the contemporaneous record of what the president is doing and where he is. If the administration can decide which ones go out...
Herman
You've changed what happened. Not dramatically, not in a way that rewrites history the way a lie does, but you've introduced a gap. And gaps in the record compound over time.
Corn
Let's talk about Israel, because the parallel is striking but the mechanism is different.
Herman
So Israel's equivalent of Air Force One is the Wing of Zion — a Boeing seven sixty-seven, registration four X dash ISR, operated by Squadron one-twenty of the Israeli Air Force. It completed its first flight after conversion in November twenty nineteen, cost approximately three hundred million dollars. Israeli journalists have traditionally joined the Prime Minister on these flights, with the Shin Bet — Israel's internal security service — conducting security checks at Ben Gurion Airport starting at six in the morning before journalists are allowed to board.
Corn
And here's the structural difference from the US that I think matters a lot. Israel never had a formal independent body like the WHCA managing the rotation.
Herman
Which means there was never a firewall. Access has always depended on the goodwill of the Prime Minister's Office. The WHCA's independence was the product of a century of institutional norm-building. In Israel, that institution never developed in the same way, which means Netanyahu's press pool restrictions aren't a rupture with a norm the way Trump's were — they're more of an escalation within a system that was already more fragile.
Corn
Walk me through what Netanyahu has actually done.
Herman
September twenty twenty-five — Netanyahu excluded all journalists from the Wing of Zion for his UN General Assembly trip to New York. The stated reason was "technical arrangements related to seating and security." The Israeli Journalists' Union protested. And the Ynet report on this noted it was the second consecutive US visit in which he'd excluded journalists from the official plane.
Corn
So it wasn't a one-off.
Herman
And before that pattern became established, there was already a precedent for using access as punishment. After a Ynet report about alleged tampering in the spokesman's office, Channel Thirteen's diplomatic correspondent Moriah Asraf was barred from boarding the plane. Direct retaliation for unfavorable coverage. That's the exact same logic as the AP ban — access as a lever for shaping coverage.
Corn
And then February twenty twenty-six, the Kolyohin case.
Herman
This one is genuinely murky in a way that makes it hard to evaluate. Nick Kolyohin is an Israeli-Russian freelance journalist who contributes to RT — Russia's state-controlled television network. He'd been approved for the Wing of Zion for Netanyahu's Washington trip to meet President Trump. Shin Bet agents removed him from the plane minutes before takeoff. The PM's Office said the security authorities decided not to approve his participation due to security considerations, but couldn't provide further details. The Shin Bet said it couldn't address the reasons behind individual decisions.
Corn
And the ambiguity is the point, isn't it? Because Kolyohin had immigrated to Israel as a child, served in the IDF. The RT connection is real, but is that a security concern or a political one?
Herman
That's exactly the question the system is designed to prevent you from answering. When the Shin Bet is doing the vetting, and the Shin Bet doesn't explain its decisions, there's no way to distinguish a genuine security call from a politically motivated exclusion. And the context that makes this more troubling is that the Shin Bet admitted in twenty twenty-two to tracking Israeli journalists using cell phone data from telecom companies. So the security apparatus that's vetting press pool access is also the security apparatus that's surveilling the press.
Corn
That's a different level of concern than anything in the US context.
Herman
The broader pattern in Israel is worth laying out, because the Wing of Zion restrictions are just one piece of it. Netanyahu's government has bolstered Channel Fourteen, which the Israeli media watchdog The Seventh Eye has documented as regularly broadcasting misinformation. Legislation has been introduced targeting prominent TV news channels. Al Jazeera was banned and its offices raided as, quote, "a mouthpiece for Hamas." Haaretz, Israel's oldest daily newspaper, has been boycotted. And since October seventh twenty twenty-three, nearly all foreign journalists have been barred from Gaza — a blanket prohibition that the Committee to Protect Journalists challenged in Israel's Supreme Court in October twenty twenty-five.
Corn
So the press pool restrictions are embedded within a much wider media environment that's moving in the same direction.
Herman
And unlike the US, where you have the WHCA as an organized independent counterforce, Israel's press corps has a more atomized relationship with power. The Attorney General warned that proposed media reforms create "a real concern about commercial and political influence and involvement in the work of media organizations." The structural buffer is weaker.
Corn
Here's what I keep coming back to, though. You mentioned that in twenty twenty-nine — sorry, twenty twenty-nine, I mean twenty-nine, the Obama White House briefly tried to exclude Fox News from a pool interview. And the other networks objected and the administration backed down. That's the norm functioning as it's supposed to.
Herman
That's a really important data point. The networks — including outlets that were not exactly Fox News sympathizers — said no, we don't do this. If you exclude one of us, you exclude all of us. And the administration relented. That's the bipartisan norm holding.
Corn
Versus now, where you have sustained, systematic control of the pool by the Trump administration and no comparable pushback from loyalist outlets. Which means the norm isn't just being violated — it's being replaced by a different norm.
Herman
And a Pew Research Center survey found that only thirty-six percent of Americans said they'd heard a lot about Trump's relationship with the media — down from seventy-two percent in March twenty seventeen. So the public salience of this issue has dropped dramatically even as the actual restrictions have become more severe.
Corn
Which might be the most alarming finding in all of this. The first term generated enormous attention to press freedom issues. The second term has generated less attention while doing more damage to the institution.
Herman
Let's bring in the technology dimension, because the twenty-four-hour news cycle has fundamentally changed what the press pool is and what it's for.
Corn
Because it used to be that a pool report might be filed hours after an event.
Herman
Today, print poolers are expected to file near real-time updates. The WHCA guide says they "serve the entire press corps with near real-time pool reports." You're in a van, you've just watched the president have a brief exchange with a foreign leader — a "pool spray," in the jargon — and you need to have filed before the motorcade reaches the next location. The pressure is completely different from what it was even twenty years ago.
Corn
And there's a whole vocabulary around this that I find weirdly compelling. "Lid" — official notice that the president won't be seen in public for the rest of the day, pool is dismissed. "Full lid" — no further announcements even by email. "Pool hold" — waiting in vans. "Pool spray" — brief access at the start or end of a meeting. "Gaggle" — informal Q and A near Marine One, which is apparently very loud, making questions hard to hear.
Herman
And "wranglers" — the junior White House press assistants who herd the pool. They're the ones who shout "thank you, pool!" when the president is done engaging, which is the signal to stop asking questions.
Corn
The beast is the presidential limousine, but the SUVs used on weekends are not the beast, which is a distinction I find oddly important.
Herman
The twenty-four-hour cycle has also raised the stakes of pool access in a way that makes the current power struggle more intense. A pool report from inside the Oval Office can go viral within minutes. The value of being in the room has increased, which means the value of controlling who's in the room has also increased.
Corn
And then the "new media" argument gets used as cover for that control.
Herman
The Trump administration's framing — that the WHCA's rotation was too restrictive of podcasters and streaming services and digital-native outlets — has a surface plausibility. The pool system was designed in an era of three networks and a handful of wire services. The media landscape is genuinely different now.
Corn
But the solution to that problem is to expand the pool in a way that's managed by the press itself, not to hand control of the rotation to the White House.
Herman
And critics have pointed out that the "new media" outlets being given access are not exactly chosen for their editorial independence. The practical effect is that the White House has replaced a press-controlled rotation with a White House-controlled one, and dressed it up as democratization.
Corn
Let me ask you something about the financial architecture, because I want to make sure we've fully unpacked this. The fact that small outlets can't sustain the cost of constant pool participation — what does that actually mean for who's in the room?
Herman
It means the pool is inherently biased toward major institutional media. The cost of flying a correspondent on Air Force One, paying for hotels and ground transport through the White House Travel Office, maintaining the billing relationship with Air Partner LLC — that's sustainable for the New York Times or Reuters. It's not sustainable for a regional paper or an independent outlet. So the pool, even in its most idealized form, represents a particular slice of the press corps.
Corn
Which creates a tension with the "new media" argument, because the outlets being brought in by the current administration aren't small independents struggling with cost. They're loyalist outlets that happen to use a digital format.
Herman
The financial barrier to pool participation has always meant that the pool is not representative of journalism as a whole. It's representative of the organizations that can afford to be there. And the organizations that can afford to be there have their own editorial interests, institutional relationships, and incentives that shape coverage in ways that are hard to measure.
Corn
What are the practical takeaways from all of this? If you're someone who consumes news coverage of the presidency, or of the Israeli government, what does understanding this institution change about how you read that coverage?
Herman
The first thing is to understand that pool reports are a mediated product. They're written by journalists who are physically dependent on the infrastructure of the government they're covering, whose presence in the pool depends on an institution — either the WHCA or the PM's Office — and who are filing in near real-time under significant pressure. That doesn't make pool reports unreliable, but it means they're not a transparent window onto power. They're a particular view from a particular position.
Corn
And the rotation system — or who controls it — matters enormously for what that view shows you.
Herman
When the WHCA controls the rotation, you get a press-managed imperfect system. When the White House controls the rotation, you get something fundamentally different, even if the pool reports look similar on the surface. The independence of the institution is what gives the output its credibility, and once that independence is compromised, the credibility is compromised in ways that aren't always visible in individual reports.
Corn
The second takeaway, I think, is about the historical record function. Pool reports and pool footage aren't just journalism — they're the contemporaneous documentary record of what the president did and where he was. When the Trump administration withheld pool reports from the mailing list, that's not just a press freedom issue. It's a historical record issue.
Herman
And for Israel specifically, the absence of a formal independent body managing press access means there's no institutional record of who was excluded and why. The Kolyohin incident is documented because journalists covered it. But how many exclusions happen quietly, without anyone making noise about them?
Corn
The Shin Bet angle in Israel is the one that I think deserves more attention than it gets in Western coverage of Israeli press freedom. Because you can debate whether Netanyahu's media preferences are appropriate or not, but the security service tracking journalists' phones and then vetting them for access to the Prime Minister's plane — that's a different category of concern.
Herman
It conflates security and information control in a way that makes them indistinguishable from the outside. And the Wing of Zion as a platform gives the PM's Office enormous leverage. If you want to cover Israeli foreign policy at the highest level, you need to be on that plane. If being on that plane depends on the Shin Bet not having concerns about you, and the Shin Bet is tracking your communications, then the security apparatus has become a gatekeeping mechanism for journalism.
Corn
The parallel between Trump and Netanyahu here is striking but the mechanisms really are different. Trump seized control of a formal institution that had been independent for a century. Netanyahu is operating within a system that was always more informal and dependent on goodwill, and he's simply withdrawn that goodwill more aggressively.
Herman
Same result, different path. And in both cases, the press corps is covering it, which is something — but the public attention that coverage generates has declined from the first time these norms were challenged. People have habituated to the restrictions.
Corn
Which might be the most important long-term consequence. Not any single exclusion or withheld pool report, but the normalization of the idea that the government has a legitimate interest in shaping who covers it.
Herman
And once that's normalized, rolling it back requires a new administration to actively choose to restore the independence of the institution. There's no automatic reset.
Corn
All right. This has been a genuinely fascinating one. The institution is so much weirder and more ethically complicated than it looks from the outside, and the parallel between what's happening in the US and Israel — two democracies, two leaders, two different mechanisms, same trajectory — is exactly the kind of thing that deserves more examination than it usually gets.
Herman
Thanks as always to our producer Hilbert Flumingtop for keeping this whole operation running. And big thanks to Modal for providing the GPU credits that power the show — we genuinely couldn't do this without them.
Corn
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Herman
Take care, everyone.

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